Comments on: examining the 2009 collapse: what next? http://www.chuqui.com/2009/05/examining-the-2009-collapse-what-next/ I'll keep reinventing myself until I get it right. (3.2 2009-11-21) Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:12:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Josh http://www.chuqui.com/2009/05/examining-the-2009-collapse-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3060 Josh Tue, 05 May 2009 18:55:05 +0000 http://www.chuqui.com/?p=4676#comment-3060 I have to toss in that I think Nabby needs to go too -- it's not that he's the "problem" per say, but I just don't see him ever playing consistant enough for a 2 month stretch to win a cup. Nabby shows flashes of brilliance, weeks of good play, and then has runs where he doesn't come up with makable key saves. Nabby wasn't horrible, and the goals weren't "soft", but going through the series, he could have stopped 2 of 3 in game one that were makable saves. He could have stopped a couple in game 2 that wee makable. Even in winning, both goals against in game 5 were ones that could have been stopped. I'm not saying they were soft, but if we classify shots as "easy" (soft goals), tough (goalie has a chance), and scoring shots (goalie robbed the shooter), Hiller let in maybe 1 goal in the first two categories the whole series. Nabby, let in bunches of the second category. You just don't win cups that way. Nabby is hard because you have to find someone better, but I'd rather take a chance going out and getting someone else that trying the same old repeated thing. I agree Thornton should go. Milan wasn't on my list, but I can agree with moving him over Cheech (who was my other guy to move). I am not a big Lecavier fan (we already have Boyle, and Lukovich... didn't that Tampa team they came from stink two years ago?), but my thought is to move Nabby and Thornton for youth/picks/cap space. If you can get a goalie in the process, great. The guy I would look at who you'd trade for would be Manny Fernandez in Boston. A dark horse would be either of the Florida netminders, or maybe even Scott Clemenson. Even more dark is that Anaheim is prolly going to have to move Giggy, and while he was awful this season, his dad died, and that will do that -- the guy can win in the playoffs tho. Freeing up cap space, the free agent route Khabibulin and Havlet are free agents which would be options for filling either or both the holes. On the whole, I am not envious of Doug Wilson's task this summer. It's hard to blow this thing up, but it pretty much needs to be done. I have to toss in that I think Nabby needs to go too — it's not that he's the “problem” per say, but I just don't see him ever playing consistant enough for a 2 month stretch to win a cup. Nabby shows flashes of brilliance, weeks of good play, and then has runs where he doesn't come up with makable key saves. Nabby wasn't horrible, and the goals weren't “soft”, but going through the series, he could have stopped 2 of 3 in game one that were makable saves. He could have stopped a couple in game 2 that wee makable. Even in winning, both goals against in game 5 were ones that could have been stopped. I'm not saying they were soft, but if we classify shots as “easy” (soft goals), tough (goalie has a chance), and scoring shots (goalie robbed the shooter), Hiller let in maybe 1 goal in the first two categories the whole series. Nabby, let in bunches of the second category. You just don't win cups that way. Nabby is hard because you have to find someone better, but I'd rather take a chance going out and getting someone else that trying the same old repeated thing. I agree Thornton should go. Milan wasn't on my list, but I can agree with moving him over Cheech (who was my other guy to move). I am not a big Lecavier fan (we already have Boyle, and Lukovich… didn't that Tampa team they came from stink two years ago?), but my thought is to move Nabby and Thornton for youth/picks/cap space. If you can get a goalie in the process, great. The guy I would look at who you'd trade for would be Manny Fernandez in Boston. A dark horse would be either of the Florida netminders, or maybe even Scott Clemenson. Even more dark is that Anaheim is prolly going to have to move Giggy, and while he was awful this season, his dad died, and that will do that — the guy can win in the playoffs tho. Freeing up cap space, the free agent route Khabibulin and Havlet are free agents which would be options for filling either or both the holes. On the whole, I am not envious of Doug Wilson's task this summer. It's hard to blow this thing up, but it pretty much needs to be done.

]]> By: ErikSchwartz http://www.chuqui.com/2009/05/examining-the-2009-collapse-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3059 ErikSchwartz Mon, 04 May 2009 15:05:39 +0000 http://www.chuqui.com/?p=4676#comment-3059 Totally agree about Michalek. Less sure about Thornton (but I could be convinced it's time for him to go).<br><br>I also think putting nearly 3700 minutes on a 33 year old goalie does not leave him as fresh for the playoff grind as you'd like. I agree with you, I don't think it was THE problem, but I think wear and tear prevented nabby from being able to step up and steal games (and be THE solution to other problems). Totally agree about Michalek. Less sure about Thornton (but I could be convinced it's time for him to go).

I also think putting nearly 3700 minutes on a 33 year old goalie does not leave him as fresh for the playoff grind as you'd like. I agree with you, I don't think it was THE problem, but I think wear and tear prevented nabby from being able to step up and steal games (and be THE solution to other problems).

]]> By: chuqui http://www.chuqui.com/2009/05/examining-the-2009-collapse-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3058 chuqui Sun, 03 May 2009 17:02:46 +0000 http://www.chuqui.com/?p=4676#comment-3058 I don't want to spend more money on the defense. It's fine. it's not the problem, so why put time and energy and salary cap dollars into it?<br><br>If the problem is the top six forwards, you don't fix it by changing out defensemen, goalies, or depth players... I don't want to spend more money on the defense. It's fine. it's not the problem, so why put time and energy and salary cap dollars into it?

If the problem is the top six forwards, you don't fix it by changing out defensemen, goalies, or depth players…

]]> By: frank http://www.chuqui.com/2009/05/examining-the-2009-collapse-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3057 frank Sun, 03 May 2009 15:58:58 +0000 http://www.chuqui.com/?p=4676#comment-3057 Agree about making a play for Vinnie. How about saying bye to Blake, trading Errhoff for some draft picks, and making a run for Bouwmeester? Agree about making a play for Vinnie. How about saying bye to Blake, trading Errhoff for some draft picks, and making a run for Bouwmeester?

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